Nothing, Energy and the Spirit

I would agree the universe came from nothing, but what is nothing? It is on this point where I would probably disagree with atheists. 

Because nothing is actually quite complicated!

Nothing is a lot of energy and nothing is not the non-existence of everything. In my view, nothing is simply another form of everything! 

The reason I say this is we can see that protons get most of their mass from the empty space, not the quarks and so obviously a lot is happening out of nothing, more so then out of something. In fact out of nothing we are guaranteed something, anything, because nothing can't stay that way for very long.

Why? Because it is an unstable energy which we can see only because of the mass it shows us as it interacts with our fields. 

Nothing is temporary. It is always trying to become something.

The work of keeping nothing present, the work of keeping a vacuum of empty space seems to take a lot of energy. There is so much mass in empty space. We see virtual particles popping out of nothing all the time only to disappear again. ALL THE TIME. So, how is nothing doing this? Where is all this energy coming from and where is it going? This is fascinating stuff.

Further, HUP not only shows us that virtual particles are popping out of nothing and yet we can never fully observe its truest form --only knowing its momentum or location at one time-- and the act of observing changes it as well, but HUP also show us that higher energies exist in only short periods of time.

The higher the energy, the shorter the time frame (in regards to virtual particles) and this is why the laws of energy conservation are never violated. Large energies go back into the "abyss" before reality notices!

Also- the higher the energy of the virtual particle that pops out of nothing the less time it can exist in our "reality". The less energy the virtual particle has then the longer it can exist in our reality. 

So, this shows us that the energy and the virtual particles which come out of nothing is related and that energy is coming out of this nothing as well. A whole lot more energy than which exists in our reality.  

However, this nothing seems fundamental (once all our parts are broken down) and so we could call it the true reality or even possibly eternal. 

The question is what is nothing? Is it the non-existence of everything? I think it is merely the non existence of our reality, but not the non existence of everything. 

What we can say is Energy seems to be a common factor with nothing and with "our everything". I'd say energy is eternal.

But then what is this fundamental energy? Some atheists like to argue with Christians and say if God is energy, then God is this "such and such", because this is what energy is. However, even the smartest people in the world have a hard time explaining what exactly energy is. It is like gravity, A fundamental question mark!

Maybe we are only seeing one facet of this energy? We are seeing the energy of our universe, of our four dimensions, and of "real particles". We are not seeing the truest nature of energy, because the uncertainty principle shows us that a part of nature will always be unseen. I would say we do not experience all the forms of energy.

Energy is eternal in my opinion, this doesn't mean though that universes are eternal. Universes to me are an end product.

Maybe Quantum Fluctuations popped out of NoThing because of the uncertainty principle and this formed a kind of space-time-gravity. But this NoThing shows us it has more mass then all of our somethings through our Higgs Field and other fields. Because we have fields, we see just how much mass this NoThing which is popping into our existence has.

Side Note -----BUT  you'd have to explain how the uncertainty principle applies to the energy of nothing in order for QF to pop into out Big Bang? Because the uncertainty principle applies to smaller energies like electrons and virtual particles and when you take away space-time, energy no longer has limits and the energy density becomes infinite from my understanding. You no longer have time which is needed to measure the uncertainty principle? 

I don't think energy needs a platform like space-time-gravity to exist....but then is it really nothing? It seems like in fact it is everything- just in another form and a lot of something else we don't yet understand or may never see and fully understand.

It seems as if this infinite amount of energy is just there waiting to be born into our reality and constantly trying to pop, but what pops into our reality and stays is only what is already there.

This is something else that is fascinating. Virtual particles seem to conform to what is around them (everything seems to in fact) with few exceptions of survival when they (anything) don't (doesn't). For example, if a quark is observed, virtual gluons and virtual protons can be popping out of the nothing, but the majority of the particles will be quarks and so the quark will remain a quark and won't become a proton per se. Why is that? Well, if it didn't nothing we know would exist, but why does it do that? How do virtual particles know there is a quark and so the majority pop in as a quark?  This goes back to information and how it is stored/retained and fundamental rules/laws and begs the question if information can be stored on the most fundamental level kinda like cellular memory but be it 'particle memory?'  

This also shows us that nothing has tons of energy, maybe an infinite amount of energy.

IF a high energy virtual particle can only exist for a short time, how much more short would an infinite amount of energy of a virtual particle be? It wouldn't exist in our reality at all. So whatever this noThing is, it could theoretically exist for an eternity without being noticed by us! How can we be so sure this NoThing is not something like a spirit?  

What kind of energy is it? The closet view we get of it before it pops into our known particles, is when it takes the form of virtual particles. But what is it before it shows itself as virtual particles (which are never fully even observed because of HUP). 

Before space-time, there was nothing we speculate. When quantum mechanics is applied to Space-Time we see gravity warp into a gravity field. So, it seems they are kind of one in the same.

BUT what is important here is HOW this nothing exists? (before even space-time) The Energy to keep it present seems to be infinite and it would be much more difficult to maintain than keeping something in existence. Maybe this energy would even need to be eternal. 

What kind of energy that can do that? Which makes nothing present, this is vital in understanding more fully the nature of reality.

The question becomes... are we experiencing all this seemingly infinite, illimitable, eternal, fundamental, simple energy? Or are we only experiencing a part of (a facet) of this energy?

Is part of this energy hidden or unseen from us? Yes. We know this to be true. 

What is the true reality of this energy?

I think our understanding of it is essentially limited and might always be. I think we will only experience a part of it.

Well Kabbalists and Indian philosophies talk about this very issue.

The records go back 500 years for Kabbalah, orally longer and for Indian much longer.

The problem is that nothing is defined clearly in Kabbalah as No Thing.

We have to be careful how we understand this to mean. It means clearly No Thing. It does't mean nothing exists, just does't exists to our understanding, conceiving, perceiving, or  measuring of it. 

In fact the Quantum field shows us that realty as we perceive it is an altered state of actual reality- because of the mere interaction with the Quantum field and "observation". so, what we are perceiving as a particle or wave ...in fact in actual reality is not that at all.

Why is this important? Because No Thing in our existence of understanding accurately describes TRUE REALITY.

So, when Kabbalists say God is nothing, and Indians say God is nothing and have been for millennia ...what is being said is that ultimate reality is not qualified by anything ---and by qualifying with something you have tainted its reality ---for it is of no description, no understanding, no perception of our own existence. 

The spirit is No Thing.

In fact modern science is finally showing us that the true nature of reality is that it cannot be seen fully by the natural sciences. Our natural sciences have a limit as to what they can see about the true nature of reality. We find this with the uncertainty principle. We can know the electron’s momentum or location, but not both —ever. Not because we lack the instruments or we didn’t try hard enough or we just didn’t measure properly, but because within the very framework of nature —nature is hiding from us. Because within the framework of nature there exists only a probability, or as I call it a potentiality, not a certain physical manifestation.  

Even with before Plank time, we can’t see how reality existed and manifested.  

So, this reminds me of when atheists are asked the question, “If when you die, you meet God, what would you say?” and they inevitably answer to the effect, “Which God were you? And how come you kept hidden from us?”

Is it because you were looking at all the things, measuring all the things, all of the physical world which is in fact the illusion, the grand delusion itself? Because nature is not a certain physical manifestation. In fact it would be more appropriate to call this physical existence, Artificial Reality. 

Is it in fact this physical world is now telling you it is limited in what it can show you and that your very measurements are limited themselves in viewing true reality. Is it perhaps the reason God is hidden from you, because you were not looking in the right place?

It reminds me of when Han Solo says, “I’ve been from one end of the universe to the next and I’ ever never come across anything like some all and powerful force.”   

What if God is not natural at all? What if God is spiritual as most faiths teach? Then could you find this God in the natural world? The physical illusion? or as Buddha calls it the grand delusion?

What if God is the cause of the potentiality of everything? 

How could anything form with the spirit eternally everywhere?

It had to close. In its withdrawal at its abstract center, a singe void was formed. This is the void from which everything came. 

 When we look at the void/ or the current vacuum of empty space in outer space or in atoms, we see that they are filled with virtual particles. There is a field and there is mass. The fields are gravitational and Higgs.

There are no actual particles there, no radiation, no light. The MASS (This is very important) is from the virtual particles interacting with fields. In Protons: Electrons interact with the Higgs field and Quarks do too. Virtual quarks and antiquarks inside protons pop in and out of existence in the empty space between the quarks and gluons between quarks are virtual particles as well which lend to the strong force. All this virtual activity --these disturbances of the fields or wave ripples-- are what is giving the proton most of its mass 90%. 

This Mass is important because it is the result of energy working to keep that space empty.
Yes! Empty Space takes a lot of work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztc6QPNUqls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztc6QPNUqls

The Higgs Field turned on very early in the universe, and actual particles now have mass. All particles are thought to be massless before Higgs --but they still have energy.  Because of the Gravity field, the particles now have location or curvature of space-time. Then the forces divide and particles follow the 3 fundamental forces and natural laws and everything forms.

The forces come from? possibly the evolution of the particles and their interaction with the fields of  Higgs and Gravity?

The fundamental particles come from? possibly the evolution of the virtual particles from the empty space? 

 Scientists think all particles really are, massless. It is because of their interactions with certain fields that give them mass.

So, we can think this logic applies to virtual particles too. They have mass because they interact with fields and we see this mass. But if the fields were gone, would they still have mass? I would guess not. But they would still have energy.

Lawrence Krauss tells us when we apply Quantum Mechanics to gravity that Space-Time warps and folds up. Space-Time, I'm told, can actually be warped to form into a gravity field as well.

So, we no longer have Higgs in the early universe.

Space-time can be warped into a gravity field or QM applied to gravity can warp space-time.  It seems like gravity and Space-Time are almost the same thing. Curvature of Space-Time or the boundary of space is what makes space possible.

To me, it seems like gravity is a balloon -the curvature boundary of the space inside.

So, the question becomes for me, does this gravitational field even ever disappear or does Space-Time just become an "eternal" gravity field? And out of this "eternal" gravity field do virtual particles just continue to pop out of nothingness for "eternity" until something happens? And how is this gravity field eternal since we know space-time had a beginning? or why would the gravity field suddenly become unstable and turn into space-time? 

 Now these virtual particles of absolute nothingness is a lot of energy. I'd say maybe even an infinite amount of energy, because once we get rid of Space-Time, we no longer have limits and energy density would become infinite.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UemhCsaeGgc

Absolute Nothingness (even with just a gravity field) would take a lot of work to maintain just as we see empty space in our universe and in between quarks taking a lot of work to maintain. We see how much work it takes by the mass they show when they interact with the fields. This is why we have all that mass, because the virtual particles are interacting with the fields and disappearing. 

So, if we really are left with just a quantum gravity field and virtual particles out of nothingness (no empty space because space-time is warped into the field now) (and if energy really doesn't need Space-Time to exist),  then this is as close to nothing as we really get. And these virtual particles continue to show mass when interacting with this field.

But would this gravity field cover an infinite area or a finite area?  Would the gravity field even still be there? Without space or time how is HUP affected?

If one argues that we are left with just virtual particles out of absolute nothingness (without the gravity field)...then we would not see the mass anymore because the field would be gone. But we know because of the field showing us mass at one time, that a lot of work is still being done here. Energy- of virtual particles- would work very very hard to keep Absolute Nothingness. 

So, now we are possibly left with only the natural laws which probably vary from universe to universe based upon how each universe evolved its fields, forces, particles. 

So, this is why anything is bound to happen, because it is easier for energy to let something happen then for nothing to happen. Nothing is much harder!

HeisenBerg's Uncertainty Principle guarantees virtual particles popping out of nothing. So with absolute nothingness we can see this as well...BUT this means the uncertainty principle would have to apply to nothingness where there is no space time. We don't this to be true. 

When we take away Space-Time we now have no limits and the energy density becomes infinite in no Space-Time (Absolute Nothingness). We know from our own empty space, that empty space (Nothing) takes a lot of work to maintain.

So, how is nothingness getting all this energy? And if the nothingness is all there is, then it is infinite and it would seem to need an infinite energy to maintain it. And for some reason this energy became unstable or always was unstable? 

Also- is it possible the HUP doesn't exist without Space-Time? Because it needs time, its measurements include time. 

"Based on the uncertainty relations, for any virtual particle, there is a limit on the timescale of “being” created from the vacuum fluctuations and then annihilated back to vacuum (its “lifetime”); thus, there should be a limit on the frequency of the virtual photons whose energies sum is considered as the vacuum energy."

If time doesn't exist how then does it have this timescale? 

"The time ΔT within which this energy of two electrons interacting must be exchanged  has a limit, and is dictated by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The higher the amount of energy exchanged, the shorter the time it should take to exchange it. This is taken care by nature, the electrons just do what they have to do; they exchange energy 'folowing the rules."

So, it seems there is a limit in actual time. But without Space-Time, Time doesn't exist. 

Unless virtual particles did not pop out of absolute nothingness?
If virtual particles exist out of a gravity field of nothingness then perhaps this gravity field provides a boundary which keeps it from being infinite? 

Is there really empty space in outer space?Yes, there are voids. The largest void (void of both regular matter and dark matter) is in the constellation Eridanus, and is approximately one billion light years in diameter.

 http://www.city-data.com/forum/space/1589561-empty-space-stars-light-spacecraft-vacuum.html#ixzz2z8KxWFaI

Protons are made of quarks. Quarks are held together by the strong force. Gluons gauge the strong force. I like to think of it as three marbles are the quarks and a rubber band is between them holding them together, and then glue is applied "gluon" to the rubber band ends to hold them there. 

But the atom only gets 1% of its mass from the quarks themselves. 

The electron only gives it .05% of its mass.

So, most of its mass is coming from the empty space between the quarks. This empty space is filled with virtual particles that have tons of energy. We see how much energy by the mass we can calculate when they interact with the field. In the proton the virtual particles interact with the strong force, but in outer space the virtual particles interact with other fields. In a vacuum Higgs field is still there.

So, Nothing has a lot more energy then something! We know this because the mass of empty space -

So, energy really really wants to make something! And to not be there, it takes a lot more energy!