I agree the universe came from nothing, but what supplied the energy of nothingness? Because nothingness actually takes a lottttttttt of work.
The reason I say this is we can see that protons get most of their mass from the empty space, not the quarks and so obviously a lot is happening out of nothing, more so then out of something. In fact out of nothing we are guaranteed something, anything because nothing can't stay that way for very long.
So, I also agree nothing does not really exist. It is temporary. It is always trying to become something. It seems to be very unstable. So, Something is eternal. The question is what? Is it nothing? is it something? What we can say is all of this seems to have a common factor- --Energy. I'd say energy is eternal.
The problem though is that we are only seeing one facet of this energy. We are seeing the energy of our universe, of our four dimensions, and of "real particles". We are not seeing the truest nature of energy, because the uncertainty principle shows us that a part of nature will always be unseen. I would say we do not experience all the forms of energy.
Because energy is eternal in my opinion, this doesn't mean though that universes are eternal. Universes to me are an end product.
Maybe Quantum Fluctuations popped out of nothing because of the uncertainty principle and this formed a kind of space-time-gravity. But nothing formed until Higgs Field solidified evolving forces and particles with mass.
BUT more important you'd have to explain how the uncertainty principle applies to the energy of nothing?
(because the uncertainty principle applies to smaller energies like electrons and virtual particles and when you take away space-time, energy no longer has limits and the energy density becomes infinite from my understanding.) And you know longer have time which is needed to measure the uncertainty principle? but maybe I've got that wrong. Instinctively it seems like the uncertainty principle could work on absolute nothingness (meaning without space-time-gravity) but then who knows?
I don't think energy needs a platform like space-time-gravity to exist....but then is it really nothing? it seems like in fact it is everything- just in another form.
The work of keeping nothing present, the work of keeping a vacuum of empty space actually takes a lot of energy. This is why there is sooo much mass in empty space.We see virtual particles popping out of nothing all the time. ALL THE TIME. So, how is nothingness doing this? This is fascinating stuff.
It seems as if this infinite amount of energy is just there waiting to be born and constantly trying to pop.
So, we have a lotttttt of empty space, but this empty space requires tons of energy to remain empty. But what kind of energy is it? The closet view we get of it before it pops into our known particles, is when it takes the form of virtual particles.
Before space-time, there was nothing .........BUT what is important here is HOW this nothingness exists? The Energy to keep it present seems to have to be infinite and it would be much more difficult to maintain than keeping something in existence. And maybe this energy would even need to be eternal. What kind of energy that can do that? which makes nothing present, this is vital in understanding more fully the nature of reality.
The question becomes... are we experiencing all this infinite eternal and very fundamental, simple energy?
Or are we only experiencing a part of this energy?
Is part of this energy hidden or unseen from us?
What is the true reality of this energy?
I think our understanding of it is essentially limited and might always be. I think we will only experience a part of it.
I don't agree "God" is a complex idea and so this complicates things.
If "God" exists, it would be the most fundamental and simplest form of reality.
Complexity adds limits--
Simplicity brings limitlessness--
We see this with empty space, quantum fluctuations/virtual particles, electrons.
Before we knew of these things, we might think something that can cross the universe in a blink of an eye (electrons), something that is entangled to every other part- knowing what and where it is all the time (electrons), something seemingly timeless (electrons in universe), something seemingly limitless (empty space quantum fluctuations), something eternal (energy), something that pops something out of nothing, seemingly all powerful...
Would have to be a complicated thing.
But of course it is in nature, the most simplest form of nature.
"God" would be the simplest and most fundamental reality. Not being bound by space, time or matter provides limitlessness in its simplicity.
Complexity comes because of matter, space and time....we are complex humans and so we are also very limited -bound by that which makes us complex.
Electrons are very simple and yet very powerful.
The simplest form of nature we have found is electrons and empty space quantum fluctuations. This is the simplest form of energy we know exists.
I think this is one aspect of this infinite energy.
But much of its true nature is hidden from us and we don't experience it in its true fullness.
The reason I say this is we can see that protons get most of their mass from the empty space, not the quarks and so obviously a lot is happening out of nothing, more so then out of something. In fact out of nothing we are guaranteed something, anything because nothing can't stay that way for very long.
So, I also agree nothing does not really exist. It is temporary. It is always trying to become something. It seems to be very unstable. So, Something is eternal. The question is what? Is it nothing? is it something? What we can say is all of this seems to have a common factor- --Energy. I'd say energy is eternal.
The problem though is that we are only seeing one facet of this energy. We are seeing the energy of our universe, of our four dimensions, and of "real particles". We are not seeing the truest nature of energy, because the uncertainty principle shows us that a part of nature will always be unseen. I would say we do not experience all the forms of energy.
Because energy is eternal in my opinion, this doesn't mean though that universes are eternal. Universes to me are an end product.
Maybe Quantum Fluctuations popped out of nothing because of the uncertainty principle and this formed a kind of space-time-gravity. But nothing formed until Higgs Field solidified evolving forces and particles with mass.
BUT more important you'd have to explain how the uncertainty principle applies to the energy of nothing?
(because the uncertainty principle applies to smaller energies like electrons and virtual particles and when you take away space-time, energy no longer has limits and the energy density becomes infinite from my understanding.) And you know longer have time which is needed to measure the uncertainty principle? but maybe I've got that wrong. Instinctively it seems like the uncertainty principle could work on absolute nothingness (meaning without space-time-gravity) but then who knows?
I don't think energy needs a platform like space-time-gravity to exist....but then is it really nothing? it seems like in fact it is everything- just in another form.
The work of keeping nothing present, the work of keeping a vacuum of empty space actually takes a lot of energy. This is why there is sooo much mass in empty space.We see virtual particles popping out of nothing all the time. ALL THE TIME. So, how is nothingness doing this? This is fascinating stuff.
It seems as if this infinite amount of energy is just there waiting to be born and constantly trying to pop.
So, we have a lotttttt of empty space, but this empty space requires tons of energy to remain empty. But what kind of energy is it? The closet view we get of it before it pops into our known particles, is when it takes the form of virtual particles.
Before space-time, there was nothing .........BUT what is important here is HOW this nothingness exists? The Energy to keep it present seems to have to be infinite and it would be much more difficult to maintain than keeping something in existence. And maybe this energy would even need to be eternal. What kind of energy that can do that? which makes nothing present, this is vital in understanding more fully the nature of reality.
The question becomes... are we experiencing all this infinite eternal and very fundamental, simple energy?
Or are we only experiencing a part of this energy?
Is part of this energy hidden or unseen from us?
What is the true reality of this energy?
I think our understanding of it is essentially limited and might always be. I think we will only experience a part of it.
I don't agree "God" is a complex idea and so this complicates things.
If "God" exists, it would be the most fundamental and simplest form of reality.
Complexity adds limits--
Simplicity brings limitlessness--
We see this with empty space, quantum fluctuations/virtual particles, electrons.
Before we knew of these things, we might think something that can cross the universe in a blink of an eye (electrons), something that is entangled to every other part- knowing what and where it is all the time (electrons), something seemingly timeless (electrons in universe), something seemingly limitless (empty space quantum fluctuations), something eternal (energy), something that pops something out of nothing, seemingly all powerful...
Would have to be a complicated thing.
But of course it is in nature, the most simplest form of nature.
"God" would be the simplest and most fundamental reality. Not being bound by space, time or matter provides limitlessness in its simplicity.
Complexity comes because of matter, space and time....we are complex humans and so we are also very limited -bound by that which makes us complex.
Electrons are very simple and yet very powerful.
The simplest form of nature we have found is electrons and empty space quantum fluctuations. This is the simplest form of energy we know exists.
I think this is one aspect of this infinite energy.
But much of its true nature is hidden from us and we don't experience it in its true fullness.
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