God-originator, sustainer, and evil?

God-Originator-Sustainer, and Evil?

God as sustainer and I had mentioned it is like saying, "can the Earth exist without the universe?" To further this inquiry:

To me God is casting a shadow. We can measure this shadow, see this shadow, measure its angel in relation to the sun and the sidewalk it sits on. We can experience this shadow. God casts this shadow. Without God, the shadow would not be there. If God moved, the shadow would move. If God vanished, the shadow would vanish. God casts this shadow and so in a sense God is this shadow. However, the shadow is not God. We can see this shadow and scientists can learn about it, however we cannot see God and measure God in the same scientific manner. God is everything, but everything is not God.

When the sun dies out and the sidewalk eventually erodes away, the shadow will cease to be as well. But God will still remain.

In this sense, the shadow is temporary, the shadow is not real, the shadow is an illusion of what really is. The energy that is forming this shadow is simply a reflection of the absolute energy which is God. Energy takes many forms. Sometimes it looks like a tree, sometimes like the sky, sometimes like an atom. But it is the most fundamental form of this energy which is real, which is spirit to me. All other forms of this energy are not eternal and therefore not real in a sense, because they fade away, they are always changing, they are not permanent. 

What is real is that which is permanent, eternal and everlasting. What is real is this spirit of God. The spiritual energy. 

This is how God is the sustainer to me. This is why the world/physical/material is an illusion. 

So, how is God the sustainer? Because without God breathing, everything would cease. 

Now, God as originator, to me, is like this:

God, the spirit, exists everywhere and every when and is in fact is No Thing. This is why the spirit to me is very much synonymous with nothing. Nothing does not really mean non existence. Non existence does not really exist. 

Science kinda shows this now as well, that true non existence does not exist. What nothing is is simply the place where No Thing exists. Nothing measurable, nothing physical, nothing material. But something is always happening with nothing. It is constantly moving in a sense. 

To me, this is the spirit, God. One might also think of this as another form of energy, where energy takes the form of No Thing, or nothing.  Energy can also take the form of something, or anything, and in fact seems to want to do that all the time. 

Now, before anything was, only Nothing was. Everywhere. Every when. I would say this nothing means where the spirit of God is, however one could look at it as simply meaning the absence of everything measurable that we would call things/physical/material. 

Now for myself, this No Thing, or Spirit, must close itself in order to allow something to be born. It becomes unstable and In doing so, the vacuum from which Big Bang arose was born.  The vacuum is a place devoid of everything. Then this No Thing began to expand, began to pop inside of this vacuum, or "breath" and everything started to take affect. The space-time began to expand and gravity took hold, pulling virtual particles out of the nothing and into the something so that they became real particles. 

As gravity began to do this, particles began to behave in their environment of space-time --conforming and fitting into their environment (fighting for survival in a sense--to persist to exist), because they could not return to the nothing since gravity holds them...and dark energy kept pulling the space time further and further  and as this took place the particles began to not only interact with their new environment, but with each other, establishing "forces' and eventually all this behavior would come to be called what we see as the natural laws. 

 So, how is God the originator? Because without God's closing and subsequent breath, nothing would  still exist. 

   

And Evil?

I wouldn't view a God as "watching" as many Atheists seem to say. "Watching evil."

I think a God would be in everything. So, where is this God, when the girl is raped? I would say right there with her and maybe the only strength she has at the time. 

I guess the main question is why doesn't this good God intervene and stop all the evil? I would think nothing could even move or even happen if that occurred. 

You would walk out of your house and most everything would be frozen in time, because there would be no more freedom of movement, freedom of choice. 

But I really like this woman and man team (An atheist show) and she asked a very good question-

If you are not moral, how do you know this God is moral? Well, for myself I know what evil looks like and I know what good looks like because I can see both evil and good. I would't know what the one looks like without the other. If I only knew evil and saw evil in the world...how would I know what good even was? or vice versa?

So, I know what evil is and what good is....but what I choose to do is the problem. I might not always choose to do good, because lets be honest we are all selfish sometimes. 

I think science tells us what is God and life experience and philosophical and mystical and spiritual inquiry leads us to understanding who is God. 

Basically - Why didn’t just God create everything perfect? Because to do that he’d have to duplicate himself, and he didn’t want just duplications of himself. He wanted children. This is the best analogy our human minds can have to understand —though it is not exactly like this surely— but something like this.

In order to create children he needed to provide space for them, so he had to remove himself from space- this created a vacuum …some of himself fell into the vacuum (deliberately?) and various universes popped up and out of existence-some interconnecting-until one, our own, through big bang formed fully.

This creation would suffer and frustrate. But in the suffering and frustrating, this creation would grow —evolve— and the spirit would become more like God with each step , closer to becoming one with God —the infinite,  illimitable, eternal conscious source. 

I don’t think this God interferes with the natural process or even intervenes to change the course of history…I think God speaks to us through life experience, music, prayer, meditation, other people, certain events, nature itself, dreams, feelings, intuitions.  This speaking can influence people and change them from inside and change their lives, but then they are taking active participation in this change.

A participation is essential. God is not a tyrant or a dictator or a controller. In a way he wants to guide, but can only do so through the spirit. Nature is set as a self-sustaining system created at the very beginning. It wasn't created such that it would need constant maintenance.

In fact the systems of nature are amazing, not wasteful, resourceful, cyclic, and better than any human systems that could ever be formed. 

So, Im a deist in that I believe in a God of first cause and a theist because I believe this Gods speaks. But I don’t think this God interferes or interrupts or as some call intervenes on the natural processes or the natural course of life or order of things.

I believe God is everything and nothing and that both nothing and everything are the same thing just in different forms, that God is in the plants, the bacteria, all the animals, in you and me, the universe itself. I believe this God has an conscious and creative aspect, I believe this God is infinite and illimitable, and much of its secrets would be found in nature itself —which importantly includes the human —and all animals—minds, the intellect and the intelligence and abilities.

But God is not just all these things. There is much more to this energy which we do not see. 

Th fact that humans and other animals are capable of caring for one another shows me that care/compassion/love must exist within nature itself in order to give rise to it? How can these qualities emerge from something that does not possess these qualities? And if they do not come from nature than from where?

All animals have consciousness, which tells me nature itself has an aspect of consciousness. All animals have thought and emotion which tells me nature itself has an aspect of thought and emotion.

MORALITY-

Many atheists like to say that we don't need the Bible to be moral beings. While I can be a moral person without my parents, I like to have their advice, guidance, experiences, inspiration and encouragement. This is the same with the Bible and God. Yes, we are humans, we make choices and we should exercise morality, but the Bible and God for most people is simply a source of faith, encouragement, inspiration, hope, love and guidance and companionship. It is this relationship which you cannot dissect under a microscope or analyze on a super computer with computations.

I can dissect your brain and learn how big it is and what parts it is made of and this will tell me nothing of how many languages you spoke, your favorite animals, your character or personality, if you lied a lot or who your best friends were. This will tell me nothing of your ability for maths or architectural design. There is a lot that can only be learned through a relationship, a connection and observation of without you are limited in what you can see and learn. Such is it with nature. If you don't have a constant connection with it, a relationship with it or observe it enough then how do you expect to understand it more fully? God is like this for many.